{"id":12051,"date":"2011-10-02T17:31:35","date_gmt":"2011-10-02T22:31:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/spacingmontreal.ca\/?p=12051"},"modified":"2013-01-21T11:47:48","modified_gmt":"2013-01-21T16:47:48","slug":"what-space-or-place-for-our-collective-memories","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/spacing.ca\/montreal\/2011\/10\/02\/what-space-or-place-for-our-collective-memories\/","title":{"rendered":"What space or place for our collective memories?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Upon arriving at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stripteaseqds.com\/\">Strip-Tease QDS<\/a> last Friday, participants were offered twenty questions exploring the intersection of urban design and the collective  imagination.\u00a0 While only a few of the topics fed the panel discussion, over the next week we&#8217;ll pose some of the same questions on Spacing Montreal in the hopes that the discussion can continue and expand on the blog:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Does the imaginary need a space in which to exist?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Every once in a while, to my great pleasure, a post on Spacing Montreal develops a life of its own. Take a look at Christopher <span><span>DeWolf&#8217;s<\/span><\/span> post about <a href=\"https:\/\/spacing.ca\/montreal\/2007\/12\/18\/snowdon-discoveries\/\">a unique building in <span><span>Snowdon<\/span><\/span><\/a> which, for the past four years, has been steadily collecting accounts from people who grew up in the neighbourhood (follow the link and scroll down to the comments section). Names, memories, and contact info are swapped as the comments section becomes a lively &#8211; if virtual &#8211; reunion among people whose experiences have overlapped in space if not necessarily in time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Should the memory of a place necessarily be a part of its current  design?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>A 2009 post about the <a href=\"https:\/\/spacing.ca\/montreal\/2009\/07\/26\/le-faubourg-a-mlasse-les-origines-dune-legende-urbaine\/\"><span><span>Faubourg<\/span><\/span> \u00e0 <span><span>m&#8217;lasse<\/span><\/span><\/a> has also continued to collect souvenirs (and even a poem) from those who were born and raised in that neighbourhood. <span>Today, the impenetrable<\/span><span> Radio-Canada tower and its vast, <span>steri<\/span><\/span>le <span><span>parkinglot<\/span><\/span> offer no hint of the 778 homes, 12 stores, 13 restaurants, 8 garages, and 20 factories that once clustered there.\u00a0 The memories forged in this bustling, <span><span>workingclass<\/span><\/span> <span><span>neighourhood<\/span><\/span> remain for now, but with no <span>anchor-points<\/span> in the physical world, and no landmarks to orient those of us who never knew the place, their <span>existence<\/span> is tenuous.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>&#8220;<span><span>Toute<\/span><\/span> <span><span>mon<\/span><\/span> <span><span>enfance<\/span><\/span> a <span><span>disparu<\/span><\/span> <span><span>avec<\/span><\/span> la <span><span>d\u00e9molition<\/span><\/span> <span><span>du<\/span><\/span> <span><span>quadrilat\u00e8re<\/span><\/span> <span><span>Fullum<\/span><\/span>\/Morin\/Emmet\/Archambault,&#8221;<\/em> wrote Edmond Martel in the comments.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do ghosts get a say?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>On a more chilling note, Guillaume Saint-Jean&#8217;s montage of the <a href=\"https:\/\/spacing.ca\/montreal\/2008\/05\/07\/montage-du-jour-lorphelinat-notre-dame-de-liesse\/\"><span><span>Orphelinat<\/span><\/span> <span><span>Notre<\/span><\/span>-dame-<span><span>de<\/span><\/span>&#8211;<span><span>liesse<\/span><\/span><\/a> has drawn comments from people still raw from the traumas experienced in this orphanage.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>&#8220;Que <span><span>cet<\/span><\/span> <span><span>\u00e9difice<\/span><\/span> <span><span>reste<\/span><\/span> <span><span>vide<\/span><\/span> <span><span>mais<\/span><\/span> <span><span>reste<\/span><\/span> le monument <span><span>des<\/span><\/span> <span><span>souffrances<\/span><\/span> <span><span>des<\/span><\/span> <span><span>orphelins<\/span><\/span> <span><span>de<\/span><\/span> <span><span>Duplessis<\/span><\/span>,&#8221;<\/em> commented Nicole, herself a <span><span>Duplessis<\/span><\/span> orphan. <em><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em>&#8220;<span><span>J&#8217;esp\u00e8re<\/span><\/span> <span><span>qu&#8217;un<\/span><\/span> <span><span>jour<\/span><\/span> <span><span>quelqu&#8217;un<\/span><\/span> <span><span>va<\/span><\/span> <span><span>d\u00e9molir<\/span><\/span> <span><span>cet<\/span><\/span> <span><span>immeuble<\/span><\/span> car <span><span>cet<\/span><\/span> <span><span>endroit<\/span><\/span> est <span><span>hant\u00e9e<\/span><\/span> est que <span><span>des<\/span><\/span> <span><span>mauvaises<\/span><\/span> souvenir,&#8221;<\/em> replies another commentator, after describing an <span><span>encouter<\/span><\/span> with a ghost on the site.<\/p>\n<p>Does <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/guil3433\/2472246044\/\"><span>demolishing  the  building <\/span><\/a>exorcise the ghosts of this disgraceful past or does it deny the trauma endured there?<\/p>\n<p><strong>How can we evoke the memory of a place without either trivializing it nor freezing it in time?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>What are your reactions to these questions?<\/em> <em>What responsability &#8211; if any &#8211; do planners and design professionals have towards the memories embodied in the landscape?<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Upon arriving at Strip-Tease QDS last Friday, participants were offered twenty questions exploring the intersection of urban design and the collective imagination.\u00a0 While only a few of the topics fed the panel discussion, over the next week we&#8217;ll pose some of the same questions on Spacing Montreal in the hopes that the discussion can continue<a href=\"https:\/\/spacing.ca\/montreal\/2011\/10\/02\/what-space-or-place-for-our-collective-memories\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"sr-only\">&#8220;What space or place for our collective 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