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  1. Oh good grief. Why would it be “all about voter turnout”? Pollsters have long figured out how to gauge public opinion by asking a random sample of 1000 or less Canadians. Why would it make any difference to outcome if 900,000 Torontonians voted instead of 600,000? Of course voting is a sign of civic engagement, and civic engagement matters, but I can think of a lot more constructive ways to be engaged than lining up in a school gym every four years. Low participation is not disenfranchising the poor, by the way. In Frances Nunziata’s ward, where average household income is $52,000, turnout was 40% last time. In Kyle Rae’s ward — where average income is $110,000! — turnout was 38%.

    Disenfranchising immigrants matters in countries where immigrants find it hard to become citizens. But the vast majority of immigrants to Canada become citizens very, very fast. I lived 5 years in the US and never bothered to learn anything about local politics. How would it have made the polity or my life better if I had cast a vote for mayor?

  2. Voting for non-citizens is hardly the norm in the United States and Australia.  

    It takes 3 years for a permanent resident to qualify for Canadian citizenship application and 17-19 months to process the application. That’s 4 1/2 years from the moment one arrives in Canada to citizenship status.  That means that a typical immigrant on a citizenship track will miss one municipal election.  Around 10% could miss two.  Given that, I see no need to grant voting rights to all residents.

  3. Michael S: your analogy to polls doesn’t really hold water. First off, polls are not considered terribly accurate. Second, pollster’s strive for a balanced sample. If they find out their sample is heavily skewed (say, 65% female), they’ll try to adjust for that one way or another. The reason we want more people to vote is that there is every reason to believe the sample of the population who votes is not representative of the population at large. Or at least, that’s one reason.

  4. Voting by non-citizens cheapens citizenship.

    People have the right to not care and not vote at this time for all sorts of reasons and there is nothing that can be done about it. Many people just dont want to be engaged. In the case of newcomers they may be too busy with two jobs and other concerns to get engaged; having nothing to do with whether it is legal or not to vote.

    Making voting the law is the only way to maximize voting and I am curious why people who are concerned about under voting never mention it. It would solve the problem in one swoop.

    Who determines by the way what is an acceptable level of voter turnout? It might be better to have40% who are engaged than 80% who may or may not all be engaged. Sometimes I think this argument is about quantity rather than quality.