SPACING vs. MULCAIR: What the NDP would do for Toronto and Canadian cities

NDP Opposition Leader Thomas Mulcair is in town this week to make his pitch to Canada’s largest city.

At the Metro Toronto Convention Centre, Sunday, Mulcair seemed in full election mode, and made a host of commitments before a large group of supporters, including a $90-million annual transit funding envelope, 164,000 new affordable childcare spots, and the appointment of an Urban Affairs Minister, if elected Prime Minister.

For senior government level politicians, making commitments to Toronto has its drawbacks. To the rest of Canada, the city is seen as the centre of the universe, entitled, and the ingrate recipient of All The Things. In fact, while the city generates massive revenue for the federal government, and represents 20% of our country’s GDP, it has been choked, for years, by downloaded costs, cancelled projects, and congestion.

Mulcair thinks he has a fix.

Spacing had a chance to sit down with the Member from Outremont, minutes before his meeting with Mayor John Tory to discuss SmartTrack.

We talk transit, housing, sustainability, and the competition. Let’s get into it:

Spacing: a lot of big cities have major transit projects in mind, but Toronto is struggling to pay for the transit we have, cover operating costs, and maintain the state of good repair. Is the annual $90 million, the funding envelope you’ve talked about for transit, able to cover operating costs?

Mulcair: Absolutely. And don’t forget: $90 million is just something that we’ve already committed to, it’s very concrete. More generally, we want the federal government to be playing an active role with our largest cities to make sure that we help them, because those cities are key to the economy of the whole country. They’re absolutely crucial. We’re one of the most urbanized countries in the world. And we’ve stopped working, between the federal and provincial governments, over the past several years.

Used to be, that the federal government was involved in housing. Used to be, that the federal government would be more closely working with the provinces and territories, to help the large urban centres. That’s not the case anymore. So, one of the changes that I’ve brought in was I specifically tasked a member of parliament to be our critic in urban affairs, [MP] Matt Kellway of Beaches-East York, who’s been doing a magnificent job. We’ve also undertaken to have a minister responsible for urban affairs. We want to be a reliable, long term partner of the provinces and territories, to help in the urban setting.

Spacing: We have a serious backlog for affordable housing, the Toronto Community Housing Corporation waiting list is now over 90,000. I wonder if you have specific thoughts about how to address this.

Mulcair: First of all, we’ve got to reverse the tendency that we’re on right now with Mr. Harper, which is to let all of the funding lapse, and the programs lapse, because that’s going to be a catastrophe. A lot of that housing stock is 40 years old, and it’s in dire need of urgent repair. This is housing stock that could be around for generations to come, if we take proper care of it. But, in good North American fashion, we build the stuff, we move on, and we let it fall apart. Now that can’t happen. In a country as rich as Canada, we just don’t accept as inevitable that you don’t have decent housing for people, and there are far too many people in the Greater Toronto Area who are improperly housed, and it’s something that we would make a top priority. There’s no excuse for it.

Spacing: While a member of the National Assembly of Quebec, you spearheaded the Sustainable Development Act. With that experience, what would you bring to big cities in terms of smart growth and resilience?

Mulcair: One of the things that that legislation did, one of the provisions went so far as to amend the Quebec Charter of Rights to include the right to live in a clean environment, in respect of laws and regulations, and enhancing biodiversity. Now, what’s interesting there is, in cities, that’s given communities and groups a strong handle, and the the court cases that have built up around that are just fantastic. I had someone pull them for me about eight or ten months ago, and I was thrilled to see that, in the ten years since I brought that in, it’s built up a lovely jurisprudence, where the courts are giving effect to that. So, instead of having sustainable development as a slogan – as it often has been in the past, in the mouths of politicians – this bill, which is overarching, is the exact type of thing that we would love to bring in federally. In other words: have overarching sustainable development legislation that enumerates a series of principals like “polluter pays,” and actually giving life to them, and enforcing them, and making communities have that sort of handle that they can bring action publicly, before the courts.

Spacing: Now, the Liberals have brought in sort of a pinch hitter for urban affairs, in the person of Toronto MP Adam Vaughan. Do you have plans to go toe-to-toe? He’s a smart guy, and he knows the file.

Mulcair: Yeah, but he’s not their critic in urban affairs. We actually have a critic in urban affairs, he’s Matt Kellway. Adam Vaughan is a smart guy, but, frankly, it’s nice to be smart, but it’s even more important to be credible. And when you say that you’re opposed to [proposed anti-terror legislation] Bill C-51, but you’re going to stand up and vote for it, because you’re afraid of Stephen Harper, you’re showing that Stephen Harper’s defeated you. I stand up to Stephen Harper everyday. I take him on every day.

Spacing: Your opponents, I imagine, will say that, in order to fund some of these promises, you will either have to increase the national debt, or raise taxes.

Mulcair: Let’s take a very specific example, which is our clear undertaking to bring in quality, affordable childcare across Canada – that’s $15 a day, maximum, is how we’re defining “affordable.” Pierre Fortin, one of Canada’s most highly respected economists, was able to show, in his studies, that the Quebec [childcare] system allowed 70,000 women to go back to work – many of them were receiving different forms of support – so for every dollar that the program cost, a buck twenty-five went back into government coffers. But it was not only good for those women, it’s also was good for the economy, because the GDP in Quebec went up by the order of 2.5%, thanks to that program. So it’s not only something we could afford to do, it’s something we can’t afford not to do.

Beyond that, governing is about setting priorities. I have sat around a cabinet table, I’ve been in that position before – what you sometimes hear, when people say that, is they’re basically taking us the premise that “when we come to power we’re going to keep everything the way it was with Stephen Harper, and then anything that we would want to add would require fresh money.” This just in: I don’t share Stephen Harper’s priorities, and a lot of what he was doing, I won’t do, or I’ll do differently.

I’ll give you a specific example: he has a plan to take billions of dollars from the middle class, and give it to the richest 15%, his so-called income splitting. We’d scrap that. We’d just simply get rid of it, and we’d be very open about that during the campaign. That’s not a priority for us – to take care of the richest 15% – there’s already enough inequality in our society, we’re not going to enhance inequality. That’s, again, a specific difference between us and them, but there are a lot of other things that they’re doing that we wouldn’t do, or that we’d do differently. We would have our own priorities. That’s what governing is.

Editor’s note: the complete interview transcript has been edited for length.

6 comments

  1. It’s nice to be called smart, but being credible involves being factually correct. Since being elected I have been serving as the Liberal Party critic for “Housing and Urban Affairs” . Mr. Mulcair is new to the municipal file. His contribution is welcome, I hope we can all build a better Toronto and better cities in Canada. The Liberal Urban platform will be released soon, I know it will further focus the debate on municipal issues. This can only be a good thing.

    Adam Vaughan MP
    Liberal Critic for Housing and Urban Affairs

  2. Was he factually correct about you voting in favour of Bill C-51?

  3. When are Liberals and NDP going to work together to get some of these progressive policies implemented? Until then, I see no prospect of change, and Canada will continue to spiral downward, with a minority Conservative base calling the shots.

  4. Andrew,
    One of Tom’s biggest applause lines on Sunday was when he committed an NDP government to enacting proportional representation, so that 2015 is the last federal election where a party can win a majority of seats and 100% of the power with only a minority of public support.

    That is exactly the sort of policy progressive Canadians should expect any progressive Party worth the name to work together to achieve.

    But where is Justin Trudeau on PR? He instead regurgitates erroneous and anti-democratic lines fed to him by his backroom advisers. Why? Because they fear nothing more than a fair voting system that allows progressive Canadians to vote for a Party of their choice and see that vote reflected in the House of Commons.

  5. Adam: is that platform coming out before or after you give Harper his secret police force?

  6. Adam, I have to agree with you that Mulcair skipped a beat on the urban file when your name came up. Now of course he is aiming to be Prime Minister, not the urban affairs critic, so he may not be familiar enough with your file, as much as Matt Kellway, so he went for you on the easy one of your contradictory stance on C-51.

    But he is wrong there too. In fact, you support C-51 because you support it.

    That seems pretty clear, based on your recent interview with Desmond Cole, where you defended the expansion of powers for “preventative detention” — as if “preventative detention” is simply Habeus Corpus delayed… for a few days… or maybe months… or… well, you get the picture.

    But back to urban affairs and you. I couldn’t help notice that on the last budget the only thing you seemed to be able to suggest to Mr. Harper as a fix for the housing shortage was “tax cuts” for developers who were “trying to build rental housing”. Really Adam? The only thing you can suggest to Stephen Harper is more corporate tax cuts, in an effort to allegedly “stimulate” growth?

    Shades of Tony Clement begging builders to take advantage of their tax cuts and build rental housing back when he was Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing for Mike Harris.

    Supports C-51 and tax cuts for developers. Where does our “progressive” Councillor really differ with Stephen Harper on the issues?

    You can do better.

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